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Russell Berman Everyone knows the stereotype pinned on them: They're cast as grumpy, close-minded reactionaries -- sometimes unfairly, but as often because they're guilty of those sins. If you're seeking intelligent criticism from a conservative author, Mark Steyn a brilliant man who plays a buffoon on talk radio has a personal archive that would be the envy of most writers. Here he is in The New Orom, conveying the particular ways he thinks that Oscar Hammerstein is underrated. One needn't even know any Hammerstein to appreciate his rkom, nuanced argument.

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Russell Berman Everyone knows the stereotype pinned on them: They're cast as grumpy, close-minded reactionaries -- sometimes unfairly, but as often because they're guilty of those sins.

If you're seeking intelligent criticism from a conservative author, Mark Steyn a brilliant man who plays a buffoon on talk radio has a personal archive that would roon the envy of most writers. Here he is in The New Criterion, conveying the particular ways he thinks that Oscar Hammerstein is underrated. One needn't even know any Hammerstein to appreciate his skillful, nuanced argument. Compare that treatment to the conversation on a recent podcast that featured Steyn along with Jay Nordlinger and Mona Charen of National Review.

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The subject of rap music is introduced. It's not just that they're explicit.

When you talk to social conservatives, they get upset because there's all these bad words in there. It's beyond that, actually.

It's not just that there's this word or that word. But it's the absence of human feeling. And I used to think that in the end, everybody aspired to the condition of romantic love as expressed in "As Time Goes By.

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And actually it's very difficult, in New York or California, it's murder trying to get a zoning permit to put a sex room in your house. So it's also a big-government issue. It's a regulation issue. And I'm not sure the fundamental things will apply as time goes by. Other topics briefly discussed. To go back to rap, the idea that rap is the authentic expression of black identity, which is what a lot of these people -- the idea that Nat King Cole, Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald Those guys hiphkp have been on board for that.

There isn't anything wrong with lamenting the effect songs like " Sex Room " might have on teens hearing it at their first dance. But how absurd to reduce rap to Ludacris and Sir Mix-a-Lot.

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And how impossibly, comically uninformed to assert that the entire genre is bereft of "human feeling. Nearly every semi-young person today has a passing familiarity with hip-hop. Conservatives who talk that way don't just forfeit the chance to influence the social norms surrounding the genre. They reinforce the perception that cha views are shaped by little more than cartoonish stereotypes.

One needn't dig deep into obscure rap albums to find hipho feeling. All across America, kids are listening to rap lyrics that resonate with them rkom than anything else in their lives, capturing the way they feel about their absent father or the bliss of a long afternoon spent in the park with friends or how parenthood changed their perspective or the effect incarceration has on their community, or just about any other emotional situation people encounter.

What do they think when a man capable of meticulously analyzing Hammerstein expends so little effort grappling with the genre that he doesn't even grant that it has human feeling? This lack of effort matters.

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If you're worried about what the high-school freshman will sway to at her first dance, suggesting "As Time Goes By" won't get you very far. Acquiring the minimal sophistication necessary to distinguish " It Ain't No Fun " from " The Light " might, on the other hand, prove helpful. Lazy, uninformed criticism has a way of spreading. After the podcast, Mona Charen posted about it at National Review Online: The great Mark Steyn discussed rap "music" a symbol of the decline of the West if ever there was one.

Said her colleague, Jason Lee Steortsin retort: MonaI don't know rap well, but I have heard harmonic progressions in it that are more complex than the arrangements of root-position I, II, IV, V, and VI on which so many pop and rock songs are built -- not to mention raps that involve choruses, duets between the rapper and a singer, etc.

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I think resistance to calling it "music" is based mainly on the fact that rappers speak rather than sing; but we call Peter chqt the Wolf "music" despite its narrator, Wozzeck and Moses und Aron "music" despite their Sprechstimme, and so on. The conversation ended there. So at best, the notion that rap does in fact qualify as music won the day. For now, liberals have a near monopoly on the rapping and the mainstream rap criticism too.

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